On this week's episode Erik Tait talks to Tyas, one of the very first magic podcasters and a professional manager of magicians. This episode is chock full of business secrets for anyone who wants to improve their show business game. Nick Locapo stops by the show to discuss the pencil through bill effect Misled. Before all that the episode gets kicked off with the host of the Awesome People Talking podcast Braden Carlisle with his Top Five Under Five effects of guests on his own show.