In this week's episode, Erik and Nick talk about Little Door by Roddy McGhie. Catie Osbourn from the mentalism duo Never & Moore meets up with Erik to talk desert island magic books. The big interview is a podcast inside a podcast. Erik interviews the hosts of Shezam, Kayla Drescher and Carisa Hendrix about how the podcast started, where it is going, and how the magic community has responded to it.